City Hall Project: Town Hall #4 - Live Stream Recording
Survey Results
Architecture Survey Results & Comments
The City Architecture Survey was posted after the Town Hall on 8/29/2022 and ran through 9/12/2022.
In this survey people were asked to answer some questions then shown a series of images as they relate to the City Office Building project then asked to rate them followed by a request for comment.
The Architecture team provided the imagery to gather open ended feedback for preliminary designs.
The images overall rating and comments are listed below.
All personal information was removed for privacy protection.
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Question 1
How do we gain your trust?
Responses
57 answered, 14 skipped
- by being open about what the concerns and parameters are
- Opening the process, as the city Manager has been doing.
- See the Manzanita police more.
- active listening and careful explanation of how your decisions throughout the process reflect what you’ve heard
- Sound governance has been evident since we moved here full time in 2014. Sure blips occurred but, the general efforts and results have gained my trust. Trust can be increased by encouraging participation in all City meetings. Past numbers would indicate weak attendance at all local government meetings.
- Continue with transparency and confidence in vision. Listen, adapt, but be willing to make firm decisions and execute against them without feeling the need to please everyone as that’s never going to happen. We elect mayor and city council. Once they decide on something, let’s go. Ensure we are listening to Manzanita citizen voices first – not rural Tillamook County, Nehalem or others that rant on social media. The community is for everyone, but residents AND property paying homeowners that contribute to the tax base and have equal interest as residents should have equal voice. Some full-time residents may suggest their opinion is greater than second home owners. No. Second home owners contribute a great deal, including paying taxes for services they use much less than full-time residents. We could argue this point forever, but for any outcome that is funded with tax payer dollars, the constituency must be defined as those that pay property tax to the city.
- Good process, transparent on costs
- Being transparent
- Hmm, well to begin with transparency for me is #1. No “back door” deals where we who will be paying for this are left out of the complete loop. Use my tax $$$ wisely and efficiently
- You already have my trust.
- Honesty, transparency, creativity, efficiency, and intelligence. All of which have been characteristic of Manzanita governance.
- Transparency, listening, making ‘seven-generation’ decisions that protect our natural environment, honor the interests of full time residents, resist projects from monied developers
- Listen to the voice of the community. Keep the good of the residents first in all decisions not the incoming builders with plans to change the temperature of the city.
- I appreciate the way we are able to participate in the process. It feels like we are being heard. This is definitely a step in the right direction.
- Follow the comprehensive plan until a new one is created
- Open communication and involvement with the community. Decisions in the past have been made by city leaders as if they know best for the rest of us. Personal conflict of interest must be avoided.
- By being open and not shutting down opposition
- By being honest, transparent, doing what the people want, not waste time or money.
- That’s a weird and off-putting question to lead with. Who is the “we”? The city council? Architects?
- Pony. I want a pony.
- listen without dismissing the concerns of people who live here. be accountable if you mess up and total transparency moving forward.
- By putting the quality of life of the residents as your main priority
- By providing clear, detailed information throughout the process
- You have it.
- Timely and transparent correspondence including visuals, video, FAQs etc.
- You have it.
- Deeds, not words. It’s what you actually do that matters. Don’t say one thing and not do it, or not follow through with promises.
- Be upfront about why the previous processes did not work. And how this new restart is specifically addressing those reasons. Publish the new process including all costs, timelines, and milestones (with deliverables). More transparency. Publish a regular “Underhill Project” newsletter to keep citizens informed.
- Transparent sharing of information, facts and figures. Timely, accurate responses to questions that are raised. Multiple opportunities for community input, including for people who are not full time residents in Manzanita.
- ?
- By listening to not just the local permanent residents but also to property owners who are part time residents.we are also part of the community.
- Provide thoughtful design while listening to the concerns of your local citizens.
- Open conversationt
- Be upfront and honest with the community
- By listening to input from varied citizens and being open about all aspects of the process. And, from listening to the 36 minutes of the town hall type presentation I think you are headed in the right direction.
- Learn how to create a proper survey. Nobody answers open ended questions. Especially 5 on step 2 of 33. And how on earth are you going to derive any meaningful statistics from open ended questions? Stop wasting my tax payers money. Survey monkey has an entire educational site to teach you to create proper surveys: https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/writing-survey-questions/
- Be financially responsible. Be patient. Don’t try to solve a 30 year problem over night. Hopefully the city has saved money to help make the project possible. That is what individuals need to do when engaging in projects. From video it sounds like increasing the number of short term rentals is the best way to increase review (if needed). Please do not increase taxes.
- Transparency in the decision-making process. Input that is used in decision-making from a range of stakeholders
- Continue a policy of transparency and provide access to city financials.
- A simple and direct comparison of costs and features of your preferred new build with a comparable remodel option.
- By publishing the results of the survey and following through Listening to the residents needs/wants Informing the residents of all meetings/discussions on local issues, land use changes, etc.
- Honest communication
- You already have!
- Integrity in the overall planning process.
- Transparency and interaction
- I think you have it ready
- It looks like you have a good handle on that, building community input meetings along the way.
- By following through on Your word to reduce the number of MOTELS/str’s /planned trail directly impacting MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
- honest communication. effort to be transparent.
- Stop telling me why we need a city hall. Show me that the city has seriously looked at alternatives, i.e. old city hall major remodel or tear down or buying land to West of city hall and build beautiful full city hall on our Main Street, show us point to point comparison of rebuild vs. new on Underhill, and please don’t try to use a few feet of height will make a tsunami difference. Case in fact is 1/2 of old city hall property is outside of inundation zone. The inundation zones are great estimates, but having lived in Japan, we know those blue lines are nice, but do not mean anything really.
- Open, honest and comprehensive communication. Make decisions giving consideration to opinions of all proerty owners both full and part time.
- Be transparent in all that you do. Listen to citizens and then do based on what you’ve heard.
- You already have it.
- Keep doing what you’re doing
- The existing council and mayor cannot. The damage has been done. Hopefully the new mayor and council will try to be trustworthy
- Establish process, publish results, timelines in plain English with little professional lingo.
- Give me 1 million dollars
Question 2
In your opinion, what do we need to know about the culture of Manzanita?
Responses
58 answered, 13 skipped
- Everything you can
- It is filling up with out of state folks that ruined their cities and will do the same here. They have no civic pride.
- It has changed radically because of the influx of visitors during Covid, and the marked increase in STRs. It is now all about greed, big houses that can bring in lots of money, and not caring about the town and residents.
- that the community loves the beauty of our natural environment – that community assets like the Hoffman Center, the Pine Grove community hall, and even the golf course are all relatively simple and understated – none over-impose themselves on the community
- The local culture continues to parallel the nation as a whole. No direct involvement, yet many conversation and opinions voiced on social media and in private discussions. I cannot share much about local culture beyond what was previously mentioned.
- I’m sure you all know this well. Don’t let the loudest voices win over the silent majority. Focus on your constituency of tax-paying home owners (not only full-time residents, but those that pay the property taxes – and likely the TLT payments – that fund a vast majority of the city’s budget). Recognize and actively ignore those toxic voices in the community. They do not represent a proactive, constructive approach. They are bitter after losing elections and not getting their way. Waste of time.
- We are a second home owner but we believe that Manzanita needs a municipal building that will work for the long term.
- Its a toxic place to be because of the loud minority
- We are losing our small village culture where we would know most of our neighbors and people of all backgrounds could afford to live and work here. We need our absentee owners to be invested in the community.
- We used to be a very diverse community. Over the last few years, we have seen a huge influx of wealthy individuals alter the culture here. Huge homes, bids for multi unit, unmanaged hotels, loss of who we were. We were a small village with-a unique character. We should not lose sight of that…….EVER
- The small-town culture is under a lot of stress from growth, old-timers aging out, and the recent influx of lots of money. This is a humble community that only millionaires can now move to.
- Is there a culture? It’s a retirement beach town. It’s generally dog friendly
- Toxicity of some seem to outweigh the many
- Values include: community, quiet, protection of our natural environment.
- Keep the natural areas, stop building for sheer profit. Let’s not turn this small town community into yet another tourist town. While economy does need tourist dollars, the needs full time residents need to remain first in decisions.
- Recognize that it currently is represented by aged, rich people. It’s missing the old coastal small cottage theme
- There is a tension here between those who want to profit from Manzanita’s resources and desirability, without regard for quality of life, and those who want to protect Manzanita from becoming spoiled from exploitation. There is a split between those who have come here for prestige and exclusivity, and those who want a well-rounded town with a mixture of ages, incomes and services for everyone. Tourism is already draining the resources that should be available to the residents first. We are already experiencing a loss of quality in residential life due to poor, narrow roads, a lack of basic services and workers. Traffic, noise and over-crowding are already poor during 60% of the year.
- The bitter self entitled minority seem to be taking over this town now
- Manzanita’s allure depends on protecting its trees, wildlife and small beach homes. The wholesale destruction of these resources has been permitted appallingly. Huge houses going up everywhere, with old-growth trees being cut down. This is wrong and will destroy the character of the town. Art and culture are highly valued, as is our natural environment. I can’t understand why these homes are being happily approved.
- The community seems divided and angry at times. There also seems to be a problem with who counts as a community member.
- People who live here are openly grateful and feel lucky to be here. We are in paradise and we don’t want it spoiled. Any change brings that threat.
- We really need a blimp
- it’s a lot like middle school in both bad and good ways.
- We are living here because the small town atmosphere is very important. Many of us are retired, educated and senior citizens. The population is growing and many new residents are younger, not retired and able to work from home. However, the amount of short term rentals has changed the culture in many ways.
- We are proud of our community, we value the quiet nature of the village, we have a vibrant arts scene, we welcome visitors, and we want to be well prepared for natural disasters that are specific to this region.
- Contrarian
- The resident composition, the age and history of the town, its homes and commercial spaces, the rise and fall of population during peak times, the desire to stay small, quaint, spirited and artsy, and the challenges we face (staffing, traffic issues, expansion).
- There is a lot of community interest and awareness. THose of us who move here pre- or post- retirement often have a lot of energy and are happy to become involved. But there are strains: Income disparity, an older population who is fearful about rising taxes (“we don’t want city hall to be a taj mahal”), irritation as more people are here more of the time and suddenly note the STR noise or parking issues, stress about voting rights (yep, it in our little corner of the world), lack of service providers and workplace housing…. I have one voice, and other voices should be heard. But there seems to be a contingent of people who only want their perspective heard — it is national, not just local.
- It’s fractured somehow. If there is someway to try to find a sliver of agreement on something, and build from there, that might help start a productive conversation. Manzanita is at a tipping point of growth and the choices and decisions made in the next few years will have big consequences and the comprehensive plan is critical to helping guide us to what we want to become.
- Transparency is valued. S
- I’ve most recently become almost a full time resident of Manzanita and work on neighborhood emergency preparedness. While my husband and I live more in Manzanita, we have a small flat in Portland. There is definitely a “divide” between people who are full-time residents. For some (not all for sure) it’s like their voices matter more. There is also, I think, an underlying resentment of “day trippers”. People recognize that Manzanita is a “resort” community but resent the crowds. I get that. We purchased property in Manzanita years ago because of the “small village” like feel and enjoy the lack of commercial entities. Manzanita is not Cannon Beach or Seaside, and doesn’t aspire to be like them which is a good thing.
- The 20% of homeowners who are full time seem to have had a no growth mentality for a least the last 30 years I’ve been a property owner. growth’s gonna happen, how do we manage it intelligently
- We like the small town feel and hope to keep it. Tourism is a big part of Manzanita. Weekends, holidays and summer is what makes local businesses stay alive. But it is also nice when those people are gone, peace and quiet is welcome.
- The culture in Manzanita is changing due to outside pressures coming off the heels of the pandemic. A lot of these changes were bound to happen but were sped up due to the pandemic. I think a lot of the unrest in town is due to these changes and people don’t like change. It’s incumbent upon the city leaders to respect this attitude but also to press through and respond to these changes. It’s not easy but standing still and always looking to the past is not an option.
- Way too many short term rentals and no available long term
- We are a friendly community that values the “small village “. We welcome tourists but we live here and that livability trumps most everything else
- That it is changing.
- Manzanita is a small town. Not many people live here full time.
- Community, inclusion, recognizing needs of full-time, part-time residents and tourists A
- We value sustainability but if 70% of our city funds are derived from short term rentals we are at the mercy of the capitalistic culture.
- It’s a diverse mixture of socioeconomic retirees and affluent part time second home owners who have quite different lifestyle expectations.
- When we purchased our home 8 years ago it felt much more like a village and now it feels like a tourist town with McMansions going in, no consideration of traditional coastal building and fitting in with the community. Also, it shouldn’t be based solely on the tourist industry. I have found most of the local citizens I have spoken to are not in favor of so much focus on tourism in the community. Time to re-think the rules of the STR and vacant second homes, especially with so many people looking for a place to live! New tax structure so you don’t have to rely on STR fees????
- It’s changing
- We are a weekend retreat from large cities
- Multiracial, divided (highlanders/lowlanders) local businesses vs corporate, private ownership vs short term rental …
- Varied peoples and interests
- I care a lot about Manzanita, but I’m not a resident. I own a second home here which is currently in the STR program. I understand that some residents feel that STRentals have become too prevalent. Possibly they are correct.
- It’s an involved, educated, artistic group of people who value community.
- this resident hopes we can maintain a small town feel and still grow larger.
- Not everyone uses computers or smart phones. Even many of the citizens who do have computers have no understanding of using Zoom. There are many great ideas that our citizens have, but many are too costly. Keep cost first in mind always.
- How full time and part time residents both relate to the state of the community and vision and plans going forward.
- We are a community with a wide variety of ideas and values. Some appear myopic in there view, others have a broader view.
- The citizenry consists of more — many more — than those who live here full time.
- It seems polarized
- The residents of Manzanita demand transparency from their city government, particularly with regard to fiscal matters. August 31, 2022 3:31 pm
Loud talkers are not necessarily the majority opinion. - Manzanita was established as a resort. Population is older and mostly retired. Volunteerism is used to run the city and local institutions to a great degree. 80+% of Manzanita homes are 2nd homes Only about 700 full time residents. Tourists from surrounding areas visit Manzanita even if they aren’t renting local houses/hotels–so heavy volume of “day-trippers”. 17.5% cap on Short Term Rentals outside of the Commercial zone. Small town atmosphere is important to residents. High level of education of residents. Political divides in Manzanita tend to be along the lines of local issues, like is Fore-Dune View Grading ethical? or, Do we need more trees? rather than along left-right politics.
- Entitled is the way
- Its TOXIC
Question 3
What should a civic building in Manzanita be like?
Responses
59 answered, 12 skipped
- Attractive and welcoming; functional
- Clean healthy environment out of the impact Zone, built to last.
- Minimalist. There’s no need for a big building with all kinds of facilities. Just basic space. It’s not a social gathering place. It’s for a few city workers to do their jobs.
- Think long term and serve the community. Multi-use.
- Inviting, multi-purpose, organic.
- a safe and inspiring workspace for staff, and welcoming hub for consumers of city services – practical but not showy – it should reflect the community’s interests in the arts, the environment, and social justice – it should also recognize that the community has thrived for many years with a substandard city hall, so the bar is rather modestly set for what we need
- Two priorities: Safe, comfortable office space and a council chamber for up to 75 participants. A concentrated effort providing usable emergency supply storage.
- Keep it simple. Have required service locations and offices, but a significant amount of the space be flexible for current and unknown future needs. Don’t over-design it. Simplicity and flexibility.
- Safe, practical place for employees to work but with an artistic flair that reflects the quality community Manzanita is.
- A new sturdy building to last 60+ years, ( do not rebuild the existing…. We have enough old buildings). It should suit todays needs with room for future expansion.
- It should reflect the character of Manzanita. Useful and well designed for those that work there and guests. Modern with a wise selection of natural materials; be they stone, woods and metals. Inviting and warm.
- Relaxed, maybe modular in the sense that maybe a few smaller buildings is better than one big one.
- Minimal, earthquake ready, welcoming.
- Staffed with knowledgeable people. Shows the history od our city.
- Understated, light-filled and airy, welcoming, a design that is not quickly dated
- Simple. The old city hall worked. A new one doesn’t need to be a lot more.
- Simple, practical, reflecting our history and the beautiful environment. It should be very useful and flexible. Having emergency supplies is very important. Fancy, show-piece architecture with high ceilings and unused spaces that require excess energy costs should be avoided. It should be a “village” inspired building, unpretentious and reflecting our history. We are an artistic community, so including local artworks would be desirable.
- Large enough to function efficiently and safely and accommodate multiple needs, but not ostentious.
- It should be accessible to people of all abilities in all areas.
- Functional Charming in a beach town way
- It should be built inside a blimp
- small and sustainable. it should be part of the natural environment and built to last.
- It must function as a reflection of the community it serves. Easy to navigate for the seniors.
- Highly functional for city management and public service needs, space for community meetings, equipped for emergency services to a large number of people, attractive design, built for long-term use.
- Serves the employees and the citizens
- Lots of windows, a Northwest woodsy feel, lots of natural flora and fauna, easy access for people with all sorts of mobility challenges, information center with fliers, computers, etc., city meeting rooms, quarterly events for residents, good lighting, high ceilings – should feel like a community center, not a bank. The SWCC in SW Portland comes to mind.
- Personally, I’d like a building that is functional, that would still meet needs in 10-20-30 years, that is attractive (Columbia bank is a good example of a commercial building that fits and is attractive). I want our police and city management to have workspaces that are clean, attractive, and workable. I would really like there to be growing from for meeting space. It should integrate with the environment.
- A nice looking space that is welcoming and large enough to hold all the city employees, with a place for the community to gather.
- The building should meet the basic requirements of city staff, public safety, and emergency management. And provide for public meetings. Be CSZ-proof. Modular, flexible for changing or expanding needs. Multi-use areas inside and out. Be aesthetically similar to other MZ buildings such as Columbia Bank, the library. Not like the USBank or post office buildings.
- Functional, well-constructed, architecturally pleasing. This building should have all of the technological elements necessary. With limits to funding, there may be parts that could be constructed later or added on. It should also have the appropriate public meetings spaces. Solar should also be considered.
- Along the lines of the bank across from lumber yard
- It should be like the center of the community. Its where city government runs the affairs of the city. But it should also be where people gather for meetings, for emergency shelter when needed. It is also where people should feel welcomed in this safe zone. Building should be multi story to accommodate services like the emergency neighborhood group for meetings. Also should have space for storage for emergency equipment, food, water and what is needed for an emergency. It should have an Emergency communication room for Ham radio operations.
- It should be something that is in keeping with architectural themes throughout town and it should also be something that addresses the local citizens needs.
- Nothing elaborate just the office
- Functional, not ugly
- It should fit the needs of a small town governing body but not be more than needed. We are not a place for others to come here to meet. People come here to relax and enjoy, not to have conferences.
- Civic building should be at scale to manage a small town.
- Multi-functional, acknowledges Native American local history, provides practical space for city business.
- A hub for local discourse and a functional office space for city services.
- We need a simple City Hall for staff and public officials to conduct our business.
- It should conform to a traditional Oregon coastal architecture, e.g. cedar shake and local woods. (Like the Columbia Bank building). And no carpeting!
- Open to the community to use
- Affordable and stunning
- Not a Moselleim but a building meeting the needs of primarily tax paying local residents.
- Efficient and built to accomadate future needs
- It should be easily accessible to all. It would be nice if it could fit in esthetically with a “coastal” appearance.
- It should be welcoming, energy efficient, functional.
- LOW KEY and unpretentious A
- modern design, sustainable as much as possible.
- It should be simple.
- Single story with sufficient space capable of modification for future growth needs. Council room that is big enough for large meetings, municipal court and for indoor emergency use. Adequate space for the police department with input from the chief and officers as to what is needed. Peole6 who work in the building know more about what is needed than an architect.
- Simple and open in design. Welcoming
- A place to conduct civic affairs and, just as importantly, to meet and socialize with friends and neighbors. it shouldn’t be a business-only place where people don’t want, or can’t, linger and chat.
- Attractive, safe for workers, out of tsunami zone. It should include meeting space as well as storage for emergency provisions.
- The absolute bare minimum that gets the job done, for the least expenditure of public monies A
- Pretty much like original plan, but smaller public space. Good N.W. style architecture
- Simple architectural lines. Form follows function. Function: house city government workers, police department. Allow room for citizens to gather, indoors and out. Building should be easily added on to for future uses. Outdoor spaces should be kept adaptable for multiple uses with little effort. Ecologically sound systems should be incorporated into building(s); Building should be built to last many decades.
- Like a castle, with a moat. Well… Mostly the moat, castle isnt as important
- Large and in charge
Question 4
What other programs and or uses would you like to see available on the City Office site?
Responses
49 answered, 23 skipped
- Public Safety
- I would like to see income appropriate housing for city employees and
- none
- depending on how much of the total site is used for municipal services, I would like to see the development of indoor/outdoor community meeting space (small meetings inside, possible the opportunity for hybrid gatherings that utilized both indoor and outdoor space, and development of the current farmer’s market site for multiple similar uses
- An ice rink
- Let’s get the safe comfortable office space and see how the funding survives for other considerations. We do not need to plan for bells and whistles based on available funding.
- Service area for walk-ins / appointments, offices for city staff, meeting room(s), location for court proceedings (again how can we have flex use space), large open space that can be used for various gatherings, disaster relief, staging for whatever issue may arise. Think like large steel structure. Lastly, if space and budget allow, covered outdoor space for basketball court, playground, etc. – like the covered area at Nehalem Elementary School. It rains a lot – give people a place to gather that is covered.
- Work force housing. A partnership with housing nonprofits like NW Housing Alternatives, Habitat for Humanity and Mercy Housing NW to provide affordable housing for employees in our community. Space for Farmers Market.
- Worker housing is a must! It will create city income which is also a big must have! Yes the city will own and manage… lets be innovative! A small park green space with picnic tables a and public bathrooms for people coming into town.
- Public safety forums, perhaps a place for larger city sponsored BBQ’s. Tourist information, and guidelines.
- If possible some sort of accommodation for summer workers.
- Farmer’s Market, workforce housing.
- Farmers market, park, green space, gathering site for emergencies
- It’s a large lot. Let it become a green space of some kind.
- Meeting room space, easy access to resident information.
- A place for community to meet and have craft fairs or classes.
- I can’t answer that without knowing what is planned.
- Door to door City service via Blimp
- some workforce housing. a permanent site for the farmers market that would be partially covered. native plants.
- I think the Council members will decide.
- Workforce housing
- Volunteer programs for maintaining the beauty of Manzanita and the running of its city business. Programs for assisting the elderly, the impoverished/houseless, the mentally ill and children lacking access to proper nutrition, education, clothing, etc.
- I liked some of the ideas of the first proposal (that got turned down) with meeting spaces and even rentable areas.
- Perhaps a garden, a place for emergency services after a major disaster, multi-purpose uses.
- It is a very large site. Consider dividing the site to allow more financially (to the city) productive uses. Farmer’s Market. Large multi-use area. Ability to have small outside meetings.
- Given the community involvement in emergency preparedness, the City Office site should include space for the storage of emergency supplies and equipment, particularly communication equipment. It would be great of have a “command center” or some kind of space that could be utilized for this activity if necessary. Affordable housing should also be considered on the city site. I don’t know if it’s cost effective to think that it could be constructed as part of the city hall project but there should be creative ways that the City of Manzanita can incentivize the construction of affordable housing.
- Hot dog stands, 3 of them
- Pretty much mentioned it above.
- Just the city offices
- Available to the community for meetings, small groups
- None. I am open to hear about any good ideas.
- Community meeting space, space for local non-profit use, emergency gathering location with some supplies
- I’m not sure we have the luxury to consider other uses.
- Just leave it open at this point in time.
- Continuation of the Farmers Market including the music venue A Meeting/Community Hall August
- Unclear
- A rentable venue similar to Seaside
- Manzanita police service…
- I think the Farmers Market fits in well. Maybe some garden areas.
- Space for emergency response. I like having Farmers Market there.
- Just how many programs do WE need in a town of 500 registered voters? Less is usually more
- Office area, police area and council hall, but not a huge theater. Wired to allow full use of hybrid, broadcasted Zoom meetings, while allowing in person.
- Municipal Court Police Department Large and small meeting rooms. Storage for emergency equiptment
- Rooms to rent for activities and meetings etc…
- Space for farmers markets or other events. Property set aside for long term workforce housing.
- None
- Farmers market, evc storage, park.
- Citizen gathering space. Farmers Market continuing on property Music, Movies, Community Events Adaptable for Emergency Use in cases of fire, earthquake, tsunamis, etc.
- I’d like to see it open and available to listen to every thought in my head and then to take immediate action that I am not responsible for
Question 5
Do you have ideas about the development/design that you would like to share?
Responses
50 answered, 21 skipped
- No
- The Library and Columbia Bank, are excellent examples of costal vernacular architecture that also touch on the culture of or first peoples.
- Keep it simple and functional, no bells and whistles.
- Annex Pine Ridge Subdivision
- Some consideration for underground human waste storage is paramount. The Underhill site is a designated “Temporary Encampment” for displaced persons following a disaster. Planning for waste storage can be done at very reasonable costs if associated with the initial construction phases. Costs are more critical than a pleasing design. Functional rings loud in my opinion.
- see above
- No specifically.
- A simple northwest wood beam design.
- As above, a good fit for our village. Warm welcoming and compatible with the natural surroundings.
- In the spirit of respecting the residential areas adjacent to the site, and in the spirit of a small coastal town: – Please minimize noise and light pollution. – Position vehicle entrances as far east as possible.
- I’m thinking pods (not those white things in Portland, but something beachy) for summer help to rent out that have access to bathroom and kitchen facilities in a larger common area. Can’t think of a use for the pods during the winter so maybe they don’t need cold weather features like full heating and insulation.
- Minimal footprint that embraces the future of virtual services and remote ‘work from home’ staffing. Earthquake ready.
- no
- I live in a very desirable, planned neighborhood in Manzanita (Classic Street Cottages designed by Ross Chapin). We have many visitors walk through to see our houses because they are a pleasant, desirable scale that encourages interaction, beauty and simplicity. Buildings that blend into the natural environment fit best in a community.
- I see no value in rescuing a Quonset hut — itself more of a temporary structure than an architectural wonder.
- It shouldn’t be an eyesore, physically intrusive or some ultra modern block building. Beautiful garden spaces and benches would be nice.
- Having the entire operation in a blimp would make us the most cutting edge city in the world plus wouldn’t need parking nor the need for a police station as you all would be above the city and could do everything via lazers
- save the quonset hut.
- Simplicity of design. Mid-century modern.
- No. I am impressed with the work that has been done so far.
- Just get rid of that eyesore of a ww2 military dome
- See above about design elements.
- Since there is no place for general comments, I’ll provide some here. These are all nice, pretty pictures of generally inviting outdoor spaces. Yes, the area surrounding the new building should definitely be upgraded from what is currently on the site. However, I think most people are much more concerned about the building itself rather than outside amenities. Starting here does not bode well for the rest of the process. It would have been valuable and informative for me to have pictures of other small town civic buildings.
- Not really. I do think including solar would be important.
- Beachy designed September 1, 2022
- Not really
- None
- Re style the existing structure
- Windows and trees
- Tasteful, but not extravagant.
- I agree with idea of a phased approach. Save money for future phases.
- No
- Like the idea of making green spaces accessible.
- No.
- I would like to see dark sky compliant lighting. The lighting in town (US Bank building is obnoxious). I would like to see the stars at night, not the glow from businesses/residences.
- No I’m not informed
- It seems to me a modular might be the most affordable…
- Rustic Modern but BEACH MOTIF
- Not currently, just that it should fit Manzanita
- Use Cannon Beaches City Hall NOT Rockaway as a good place to start
- i appreciate the development in northern Cal known as Sea Ranch and hope we can model our building on that style.
- Smart building that we can afford.
- I am not completly convinced that all of the existing structures need to.be demolished. With a new outside skin or shell the quonset hut building would work well for storage of emergency equiptment and City maintance equiptment.
- Don’t do it on the cheap, or we’ll end up, sooner than we think, we a building like the one it’s replacing.
- Public/private partnership for workforce GP housing.
- Get rid of the garbage structures there now.
- If a remodel of the existing buildings is not being considered, then I will in no way support this project
- See answer 3
- Building should be of simple design, but high quality to combine longevity with architectural interest. Landscape should be of high quality as well, perhaps selecting botanically unusual plant specimens that are simple to maintain (low-water, etc.) Maintain large open spaces in landscape design to allow multiple uses Align building for maximum solar power use, along with best views of property when inside.
- Yes, it should be built for $342.16 my cousins best friend Manny says that is a reasonable price and he could do it cheaper. He should know, he watches the Home & Garden channel full time.
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Rating Average: 3.0
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- No apparent outside seating areas; benches or picnic tables, covered shelters
- No one sits on the grass on the coast it is to wet 905% of the year. Stay away from California thinking, we have a wet, wet environment.
- I’m not clear on what this is. I don’t see a building, so I don’t know how this fits into the whole picture.
- Looks nice. Not very functional.
- Mundane
- This image has nothing to do with our area or the likely site.
- Significant maintenance
- Plantings are too fussy – low maintenance natives would be better.. In this climate, folks won’t use a wet lawn much, what with a long rainy season, frequent heavy dew year round, and irrigation during the dry months.
- poor use of space
- Native landscaping and bio-swales.
- unrealistic. No water feature please! Water is an issue!
- No grass please.
- Open space not a priority for the site
- What are we looking at here? There’s no building. This doesn’t look anything like the landscape where city hall will be located.
- I’m not sure what this is meant to convey. That city hall development will be in a park-like setting? Not necessary. The whole town is a park set between two state parks.
- Perfect landing spot for a blimp
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Rating Average: 3.2
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- Again, no real place for meetings or groups
- t0 much grass
- Better. Easier to maintain. Clearer and more useful spaces.
- Pleasing images but, not as critical as a functional building. We are not Carmel Ca.
- we have plenty of natural, unspoiled and unstructured beauty in every direction, so that’s not as necessary here. Covered area – court, playground, etc for rainy day use
- Clean straight forward design S
- Outside seating is great. Please consider a mix of covered and uncovered seating. In this climate, outside conversations and small meetings can be had year round. The tall grass would make most of the site unusable except for looking at. Seems like a waste, although it would certainly be cheap. Avoid planting dense evergreen trees (cedar, spruce, etc.). They are no fun to be next to or underneath until they are huge and have been limbed up some.
- poor use of space
- Outdoor gathering space for community events like farmers market, music, community performances.
- Keep it natural and green S
- No grass please. Concrete looks too urban and gets mildew. Less landscape maintenance and more social space outdoors would be better suited.
- Open space not a priority for the site
- Where’s the building?
- That field back there is a great spot to park the blimp. Just needs a good mowing.
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Rating Average: 2.1
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- he left photo seems very busy and consists too much of hard surface
- to trendy will look out of date a year ago.
- Doesn’t seem to fit the feel of Manzanita. Hip, but busy and not as welcoming.
- Right will be dated. Left is messy and doesn’t age well. I have seen these pavers many times. They look dirty and cannot be power washed.
- Like the grass crete. Maintenance needs to be considered when incorporating this type of design element.
- we don’t need more uncovered outdoor space. Redundant with beach, existing parks, trails, etc. Covered playground and basketball court. This could also be used in case of tsunami or to hold a pancake breakfast, farmer’s market, etc. Flex space that is covered.
- Too busy. Maintenance $$$$
- The crowded plaza would work better downtown. I don’t expect it would be used much on the city hall site. It’s a big site. Let people spread out more.
- ridiculous
- I like the green pavement not the painted pavement
- Both are awful.
- What are we looking at? I thought you were asking me to consider a city hall building?
- I’m at a loss here. Which image do you want feedback on.
- This is great, those words could be re-arranged for blimp instructions
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Rating Average: 3.0
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- Seems nice although given the frequency with which it rains here, a covered shelter or two would be nice
- Nice!
- No need for all the gathering space.
- Harder to maintain. Only appealing during the sunny half of the year?
- Plain simple plaza with welcoming plantings.
- We need as much green around building as possible. This is great for drainage.
- Inviting….still may need significant upkeep
- better, but don’t like all the paving
- Outdoor Community space that invites gatherings to read, lunch, knit, chat, play music, performance, children’s activities.
- Too much pavement, not enough green
- Does not reflect our local environment at all. Seems very impersonal and typically suburban.
- Is anyone really going to be hanging out at City Hall, having lunch or tea? This looks insane to maintain in regards to weeds. I feel like you have to ask yourself how is this building really going to be used? Maybe I don’t understand.
- Which city hall function is this image addressing?
- Not good for blimps, but I like dogs
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Rating Average: 2.5
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- Not a big fan of the fence
- The walkway and landscaping are appeal to me (4.5 of 5). The gate fence (1 of 5) – reminds me of a prison or livestock.
- Is this the entrance to a prison?
- Are we preparing to graze livestock??
- Clean simple and low upkeep….$$$ saved
- Consider wood topped low walls. Concrete is fun during warm weather, which we don’t get a lot of except in high summer. Those walls would be gloomy gray blobs most days the rest of the year. If we build something like this, make sure the materials are appropriate to folks wearing jeans and a jacket on 55-degree cloudy days, which we often have through early July.
- huh??
- No fences!!!!
- Blocky, modern architecture doesn’t reflect our setting.
- Simple, clean in and out. I would like to see the building though.
- I like the rustic simplicity of these landscape elements
- Awful, this is not blimp friendly
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Rating Average: 2.8
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- Looks very nice for a parking area
- Good drainage and easy to repair!
- Like the design and think it would fit well in Manzanita.
- Go grass crete!!
- Again good for drainage
- Nice, lot of work and expense
- Cobbles are nice. The footing would be precarious (and likely muddy) stepping from a car into a planted area. Consider the median age of the community and the often foul weather.
- c’mon, who’s coming up with these ideas?
- I prefer to see bike parking. I gather pavers encourage water drainage vs asphalt.
- Too much pavement
- Parking pavement blocks would be destroyed by our moles and other creatures. Looks like a lot of maintenance.
- Simple is better, no over complicate by trying to be trendy. Make sure to have ADA compliant parking. This image is accessible to wheelchair users.
- How are you going to park a blimp with all these cars?
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Rating Average: 2.8
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- too much hardscape and no areas to gather; no covered shelter
- To corporate
- Clearly a public/civic space. Nice mix of hard and soft areas for the different seasons. Plus lights, trash can, etc.
- We are not a University.
- too much redundancy in these pictures
- Good selection of plants…lower maintenance
- Too grand a paved area. Who needs all that concrete to walk across? Good use of deciduous shade.
- what’s with all the grass?
- I don’t like grass – this does not seem friendly or inviting.
- Beautiful!!
- Too much pavement
- Typical, low in imagination. Looks like any community college in suburbia.
- Still no building seen. Seems to have a college feel where the kids go hang out between class.
- Spotty Doggo!
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Rating Average: 2.7
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- Looks nice
- I like the idea of outside furniture on the nice days, and being able to use the space for gatherings by moving the furniture out.
- I would prefer a larger, more substantial table an seating. Something a small group or family could use.
- The grasses used in modern landscape do nothing for me.
- More work in the upkeep area. Less is more
- poor use of space
- Outdoor furniture would be difficult to maintain. I would prefer to see sparsely placed built-in seating instead.
- Too much pavement
- Boring and typical
- Not a use necessary for a city hall
- Still waiting to see the building. I’ve never hung out at City Hall nor have I seen anyone except homeless in other cities.
- One star, Blurry and not enough dogs
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Rating Average: 2.4
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- look nice
- To many tree in an area meant to use incase of a typhoon.
- Hope everyone has a backup camera.
- Trees good, asphalt no… retains heat
- Perhaps ideal…trees need less work overall
- the shade is nice, but I’d like to see less accommodation for cars
- too much pavement. Use gravel
- No opinion on this
- Parking in the shade makes sense — there aren’t many trees on the site, though
- It’s really hard to comment on the building if it’s not shown right away in this survey so I could understand the bigger picture. Building, access points, open spaces, relationships to each other.
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Rating Average: 2.5
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- Not a fan of those sticks – no shelter and the ones I’ve seen don’t hold up that well, especially to rain and wind
- This has nothing to do with City Hall. Again, no need.
- In Manzanita a rain proof fly or roof seems in order. Otherwise, hell yeah!
- Maybe if financing permits
- event space is nice. again, think of part of this to be covered.
- An outdoor concert and farmers market area would be perfect in the park area.
- Many of us moved to Manzanita to get away from noise and crowds. Turing the city hall site into a frequent music venue would be awful. At least with the farmer’s market, we get the benefit of fresh food to shop for.
- Shady, embraces the natural environment, welcomes community and creative performance.
- Although I like the idea of an outdoor concert space, I would be concerned for the neighbors who live closest to the site.
- First wind storm would ruin that stick stage. ☹️
- We’re talking city hall not entertainment center
- Too rustic. Needs to be a bit more sophisticated. (See our Wonder Garden in Manzanita for a successful example of an outside space). We have many talented creators and gardeners here. They should be involved.
- Manzanita has other venues for concerts. Not needed.
- City Hall?
- Irrelevant S
- NO WAY. All those sticks could pop our blimp
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Rating Average: 3.2
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- Look good
- we need a large open space like this!
- Especially if the surface was relatively firm with bit of give and never got soggy.
- Part of park
- Flat area useful for many things…
- Outside classes make perfect sense for the site.
- why any grass at all? and the activity portrayed could be done anywhere
- Nice! I instruct tai chi.
- I like the open space. It allows for flexibility.
- Not needed
- ?
- Irrelevant
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Rating Average: 2.8
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- Not that attractive
- Add some sort of movable heavy duty TV trays for meals or writing?
- Low upkeep, include a fire pit…..marsh mellow and weenie roasts. Story night. Etc
- take them to the beach or state park
- Educational events for youth focused on the environment and arts.
- Too rustic. Surrounding grounds should be fire resistant with increasing risk.
- Not needed
- ?
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Rating Average: 4
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- ook like nice farmer’s market
- We need to retain a page open space for community events!
- Open space for markets, music, events, emergencies would be awesome. There’s not a lot of open spaces left in the main core.
- People. Function. Yes!
- yes. flex space for performances, farmer’s market, emergency gathering or staging area. Covered part of it is best and most flexible given the amount of rain. Where else could large number of people gather if needed during one of the 300 days of annual rainfall
- Yes , in the park area
- Vital community benefit for ALL of us!!!
- The market is great, and works well except for parking. The neighbors are overwhelmed with cars parked every which way. This will only get worse with time. If we end up planning a site for the market or other large gatherings, a more considered approach to event parking would be needed, else neighborhood rights of way will be a muddy mess.
- if there’s room but wouldn’t give it priority
- This is close to the use of the area now which is popular, but parking and space is too limited.
- Space for Farmers Market already exists. Seems like a good thing to keep.
- Again where would this be in relationship to City Hall?
- I like the idea of continuing to use a portion of the property for a farmers market
- Love me some tomatoes
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Rating Average: 2.3
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- Nice x needs a covered shelter or tables
- Permanent furnishing to a minumum
- Like the benches and year-round surface. Not sure about the food trucks for a lot of reasons. Generally in full support of food trucks but not sure about dedicated space as part of city hall. Complicated.
- Please, NO FOOD TRUCKS…. the scourge of 21’st century humanity
- As part of farmers market yes. Full time i am not sure. We need to have enough employees just to keep the existing businesses open…. Comes back to the housing issue!
- Great idea if possible, perhaps 1-2 per month. I’m In
- This would be more appropriate downtown. Where would customers come from? If we go with this, please allow no generators.
- no food trucks
- One of two food trucks. Not a food truck park.
- Not enough green space
- Given our weather, this is not very practical.
- Manzanita doesn’t allow food trucks without plumbed in bathrooms. I tried and was told no. There’s no food trucks in manzanita.
- This doesn’t have anything to do with city hall functions but we do need to allow for carts.
- Perfect. Tacos near the blimp zone
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Rating Average: 2.9
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- Look nice
- Nice idea but a dedicated space for something so specific doesn’t seem like a good idea. If the whole area was big enough maybe something like frisbee golf goals could be integrated.
- Now we are talking….. Bocce courts provide competition, exercise and camaraderie
- Part of the park.. maybe
- another win for All of us
- that’s a beach activity access to a part of the beach could be improved for those who have difficulty walking
- We’re talking city hall not a sports center
- Not needed
- ?
- Irrelevant
- We should definitely put in one of these outdoor bowling alleys
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Rating Average: 2.8
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- Only concern is would enough people want to participate?
- Noise. Weather. etc.
- Yes!
- Weather permitting
- Part of the park
- Another great possibility
- no, not needed, the theater at the state park has told us that
- Not needed
- ?
- I don’t think the new city hall needs to be a park. I think that is a separate development.
- Now were talking… a blimp that shows movies!
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Rating Average: 2.7
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- Nice dog park
- As the only person in Manzanita without a dog… No! not unless it keeps them off the beach 🙂
- I don’t think there is room for that.
- A space this large could also utilize 6-8 units for worker housing. For So long this vital need has been ignored!!!!
- Dogs are fun, but there are so many places to take dogs already. I see no reason for a dedicated dog park on city property, no matter huge or tiny.
- take dogs to the beach where it’s a lot easier to clean up after them
- 4/5 because the dogs already have the beach.
- We already have a dog/people park at the beach
- The beach is already the preferred dog park. If only people would clear their waste.
- So many pooches!!!
- ?
- See Previous
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Rating Average: 2.0
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- Nice play area
- We have a park.
- We already have a park.
- Sure! Something small because there’s already a playground?
- Redundant. We have playground equipment not being used.
- No
- There’s already a playground at the city park. Kids will find ways to have fun in a public space, without a dedicated area for them. This would not be that useful for residents.
- might be nice for kids in certain situations
- City hall not playground
- There are very few children in our community. The beach is their playground.
- Not needed in a city hall
- ?
- Seems pointless
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Rating Average: 3.4
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- Nice common area/garden
- Work with the wonder Garden!!!
- A community garden would be a good idea.
- Something of a duplication with the garden across from the Hoffman and Alder Creek Farms?
- this space can’t be all things to all people. this neighborhood garden offers no option for flexibility. lots of other places this could be placed, including the huge and largely untapped land of the city park.
- On the perimeter of the park area.
- Garden club can handle this one
- Kids and adults all love a garden.
- Hoffman Center already has this
- Includes green space and social interaction
- Garden spaces are enjoyed by many people here
- ?
- Someone really needs to get to weeding.
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Rating Average: 2.6
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- We have a Park and the whole pacific coast to walk on.
- Rating goes up if it had a year around surface instead of grass, incorporated the stage and some of the better seating/table options.
- Lots of trees is a plus
- This is lovely, but only makes sense if there is somewhere to walk to. What is the lawn used for? It’s big enough for running games, and events, both of which will quickly churn the grass to mud in this climate.
- City Hall shouldn’t duplicate what’s already available in the area
- Please no grass. Impractical here, expensive and not environmentally friendly.
- ?
- LOVE IT
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Rating Average: 1.6
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- Not especially attractive or welcoming
- Too narrow. Seems like an accident waiting to happen – kids, people with phones, etc.
- Too many rectangles. Impoverished planting area. Walkway uncomfortably narrow with trip hazards on both sides.
- no, and don’t pave over the beach either!
- Worst image. Does not reflect Manzanita
- ?
- Nike business campus?
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Rating Average: 2.8
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- Nice S
- We have enough dark moldy places for a life time. This is not SO Cal.
- Like the idea. Not the look so much.
- YES YES on this type of covering
- Excellent idea for All weather market. Benefits the vendors and community
- That roof is awful. What a chilly gloomy market it would be in May/June/Sep/Oct. A simple shed roof would be better, especially if it has skylights. No roof at all has worked fine for years. Also, boo to food trucks unless they can’t have generators. S
- vendors already have covered booths
- Unattractive, industrial structure. This is already seen along the coast. Something more polished and creative would suit us better.
- ?
- Not sure if that structure is tall enough
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Rating Average: 3.2
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- very nice
- Please lord no Cannon Bech!!!
- Not sure what the focus is here. Like the building.
- Gorgeous.
- Unaware we had a budget for a restaurant!
- Warm inviting. Local vibe
- Building style is fine. Flower garden with extensive outside seating seems like it would likely be neglected for budgetary reasons. And the umbrellas are kind of silly in this climate without somebody paid to raise and lower them as needed.
- nice place
- This is closest to what would work so far.
- A pub in Cannon Beach?
- I like the simple rustic style of the buildings. Outdoor seating not necessary
- Beer Good.
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Rating Average: 3.3
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- Landscaping should be minimal, and with native plants that don’t require a lot of water or care. Plants that attract species such as butterflies and hummingbirds would be beneficial.
- Here we have more grass. With so many native plants to choose from. Why try to duplicate the Everglades?
- Swales have value
- no
- Beautiful high maintenance $$$
- This would be a nice swale, if needed.
- it’s an attractive way to do drainage, if drainage is needed
- Just be native!
- Not too much landscaping. We have trouble finding affordable and available staff to maintain.
- Pretty landscape
- Presume this is a storm water design?
- like the diversity
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Rating Average: 3.1
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- benches are good
- Benches need to drain and dry quickly , there is a overstock of benches in Landscape architecture, stop already.
- Very Oregon.
- Rustic charm
- And picnic tables just like this….. have people sponsor a table or bench in the park. … i would pay for one.
- Maybe concrete frame for durability and longevity.
- Great use of materials, sloped seating. Consider low seat height and median age of residents. Recommend mix of seat heights, not just a bunch of one kind of bench.
- it’s okay, but not too many
- We’re more sophisticated than that. Too woodsy
- Seems to nice for elements and vandals.
- This is a wooden bench.
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Rating Average: 3.5
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- outdoor sculpture is nice although hard to judge the scale of this one
- Can I rate this 6? Whales are a local thing and we should celebrate them. 🐳
- Not Manzanita
- no. keep it simple. don’t spend $10-50k for something like this. Our natural beauty is enough. Spend wisely and focused on facilities to serve the community
- Again get sponsors for art and have local (Oregon artist )create it..
- City art is always worth while to a degree. Initial price is a concern. Vandalism so far is not a concern here. We are fortunate.
- Outdoor focus sculpture is nice, but it’s likely not as important as other items in the budget. Maybe reserve space for a focus sculpture that can installed in a future project.
- do not commission it only consider if someone donates the artwork
- Art is very appreciated here. It should be chosen by the community
- Nice but where would it go?
- Sculpture of our blimp, who wouldnt love that
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Rating Average: 2.7
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- Nice
- Please no.
- We have enough art in town. Keep it simple.
- Not Manzanita
- Considering this as incidental sculpture, with lower cost than the whale, it might make sense to help define the purpose of a space. The tree them is appropriate (more so than the whale).
- do not commission it only consider if someone donates the artwork
- No extra foofoo
- Art should be chosen by the community, but is encouraged.
- Strange
- No no no!!! That looks too sharp
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Rating Average: 3.2
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- Nice covered area although a lot of hardscape
- The Rain here is sideways
- A little larger, but lower due to wind here? Much better than the other one.
- Too cold.
- Sure if budget allows
- another good option for providing covered space
- Useful…..but people can be messy. So, who will keep the area clean
- This is cheerful enough to be used year round. Too many tables though I would think. Please no gloomy colored metal columns and supports. We’ve got enough gray around here already.
- if there’s an outdoor stage it could be used for a few picnic tables when idle a dedicated picnic space wouldn’t be very useful
- Too urban
- its good we are thinking forward
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Rating Average: 1.9
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- personally don’t find this attractive
- Chains do not work, stop pretending they do.
- NO
- Too much
- High fun factor. Price is a concern..
- The downspout garden is cool, but the metal tower is awful. This isn’t Umatilla.
- what’s that? we’re at the beach
- Having water storage is smart
- One of our coastal storms would take that out in a flash.
- Noo!!!
- Good example of stacking tin cans (find a better tower)
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Rating Average: 2.1
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- Seems awfully large for Manzanita
- Looks Like the Ikea corporate headquarters.
- Not sure why, just doesn’t appeal.
- Looks like a college dorm.
- We do not have a population of 25K
- If a 2 story is more cost effective, nice design.
- Very nice. Many interesting elements. Light maintenance
- Lovely mix of materials, good scale. Need variety of seating heights.
- fine for a hospital
- It’s a coastal community not a suburban area
- Too urban
- ?
- I like it maybe a little less concrete
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Rating Average: 2.5
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- nice
- Wet pants.
- Seems like it would fit Manzanita well. A little less edgy and more organic than some of the others. Recalls logs on the beach – nice touch. Stones give it a more whimsical touch and something for the kids to mess around on.
- When do the eggs hatch? This is not an inviting look.
- Would be a nice front.
- Fun simple low key.
- Seating area facing the road doesn’t make much sense. Make the seating area a human space, not just a leftover next to vehicle space. Benches and rocks too brutalist for my taste. And it only accommodates people sitting side by side. This seems built for people to visit when they’re alone.
- we don’t need a bunch of paved walkways or trendy seating
- Not as inviting- too sunny and grassy.
- To urban. No grass please
- Absurd!
- no comments at this time.
Architectural Site Survey Results & Comments
The City Architecture Survey was posted after the Town Hall on 10/4/2022 and ran through 10/18/2022.
In this survey people were asked to watch the presentation video
then look at the 3 viable options and provide feedback.
The images overall rating and comments are listed below.
All personal information was removed for privacy protection.
Current site for refrence
Additional information
Risk Category 4
Risk Categories are assigned to buildings to account for risks and consequences to building occupants in the event of a building failure
The Police Station is required to meet Risk Category 4 standards
Higher risk categories require higher design criteria and therefore higher cost
Lower risk categories compromise essential community services necessary to cope with an emergency situation
Testing is in process to determine if any of the existing concrete meets these standards. If it does not, upgrades will need to be made.
Survey & Comments
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Site Plan 1: School Reuse
70 Responses: 75% do not like, 25% do like
Pros Cons |
Comments
- I believe both the school and Q-hut would take substantial resources to bring to code and alleviate issues with the current spaces. I think this would result in a less accurate estimate for costs for the project overall. Also, housing is important and this provides a limited ampunt of space for that.
- Uses way too much of site. Who would use the green areas adjacent to Manzanita Ave? Can’t east parking area be moved closer to Manzanita Ave?
- I’m not for keeping the old structures
- I like the council chamber and police being behind city offices in this configuration, although it feels a little like there’s a parking lot in the “front yard” and then some nicer open space on the Manzanita Ave side of the complex. Q-hut would need quite a facelift on the outside so as not to detract from the other buildings.
- Many of the proponents of reuse cite a reason being that the architect was one of the first females certified in Oregon. I can not find any records showing she was the architect (rather than her father’s firm being the one on record). If she was not involved, there is even less reason to utilize this structure.
- I like this plan provided total cost is the same or less than building new. Office space should be built to Level 2, Police to Level 4 and everything else to level 1.
- While I am usually a favor of honoring the past. I don’t think that this is in the best interest of the community at this point in time.
- Currently I’m not in favor of reusing the existing buildings unless your analysis shows that it is truly a viable, cost-effective alternative.
- This option needs to be put to rest once and for all. It will not meet our needs. It will not be cheaper. It will cost more to maintain as well as heat/AC on an annual basis.
- Even though I prefer a new building, a state certified structural engineering firm hired by the city, WRK, did a detailed analysis and it explains how to build the most cost effective and extremely strong building using all the wonderful old growth oversized bones that are there already. No company, or person has detailed why their off the cuff remark “rebuild will cost more” is actually true or shown why WRK is wrong. WRK who did the work of a real analysis and no one else has! The walls were opened up, no rot was found anywhere in the struck wood. I know well the outside walls are bad, but even costs of replacing that are in the WRK report. This study gets ignored every time a new architect or builders or management people show up because they know better. I am not stupid, I know there could be other problems, but that is the case in all choices. We call that the needed contingency.
- This is my 2nd favorite plan. I like the reuse of the buildings and addressing the value of sustainability. I don’t agree with establishing level 4 engineering for the council chambers. For the police station yes. But the rest is overkill. We have significant emergency services available within a short distance. There is no need for (most likely) expensive duplication of emergency services.
- Too big, no cost associated with it
- This survey would be more effective if respondents had a ballpark figure. Also while addresses are requested it’s unclear how that information will be used to gain an understanding of what residents want.
- Please don’t think this makes good sense. Let’s continue on this path with a new look and feel.
- How to pay for it.
- The building has already spent 73 years in the coastal weather. For most of those years it got little or no maintenance. Let it go.
- I am all for reusing whatever we can but this plan lacks the necessary space.
- The existing structure should be demolished.
- Move possible future housing along east property line. Kinder for existing homeowners along north property line who don’t have to look at a parking lot and the backs of building.
- My (uneducated) opinion is that reuse of all the existing structures, which do not appear to be architecturally significant (except perhaps the quonset hut), will not be a cost effective option.
- The farmers market is a community event Large space should be provided
- Reusing the existing buildings is a delusional proposal and fraught with significant, as yet unknown expense. It was a dumb idea coming out fo the gate.
- I like the idea of having more open space. I also have questions about what shape that building is in and what it would require to reuse any of it. I’m all for salvaging the timbers if they are in good shape.
- I do not like the efficiency of this plan due to the limitation of using the existing structures and existing site layout. Generally I do like the idea of trying to reuse the existing facility due to the deteriorated condition of the structure. I think it’s a waste of time and money.
- Insufficient space for evacuation/assembly area. DOGAMI estimates 2000 refugees need this space if a disaster occurs during peak season. Additionally, I believe more than the police area needs to be risk category 4 to service the community with adequate emergency services.
- This plan is limited in design; it does not provide a multi-use space and has almost zero utility in times of emergency, which is a significant missed opportunity for the City. It also does not take into account any aspects of community, economic, workforce, or entrepreneurship development or training – all of which is badly needed and can provide significant return on investment beyond this ineffective design.
- Starting this survey out by describing seismic risk categories creates the impression that preparing the Admin. portion of the City Hall for an earthquake is a top priority and a major objective to make these facilities the center of the City’s Emergency Preparedness Program. This got the City into trouble during its failed Bond Measure. We need a City Hall not a regional emergency shelter/evacuation facility. People get the need for a 4 for the Police but the City has never presented a rational explanation of just how City Hall at a level 4 is vital post disaster. The framing of this issue and lack of supporting explanation is a step back in the quest to restore confidence in the process.
- The cons are things that are important to me and I would not like to see theirs priorities compromised.
- Too many unknowns with reusing old, potentially damaged or toxic materials.
- Reuse of existing layout does not represent current needs. Keeping the Q hut as storage seems like a wasted opportunity to provide something better like a public meeting/conference space
- Many unknowns about what needs to be done with the Q-hut and the condition of the existing building – Will still need to alter and remove part of the existing building to create an accessible entry. This seems to defeat the purpose of preserving the building – Inefficient use of site and potential loss for future needs (ie workforce housing) – More square footage = additional cost of operation
- Moving forward with this plan would be missing a huge opportunity to enhance our community with a new modern city hall and public open space designed for the future.
- the building is beyond hope and has been since this process began. let’s not waste another minute or cent considering this non-option.
- i am very skeptical about the ability to reuse the existing buildings with a lot of added expense. More importantly, in terms of long term maintenance expenses, while the plaza/area in front of the Council Chambers is nice, I would like to see the municipal buildings/parking area in a more compact footprint and more open space overall.
- It is hard for me to believe that the condition of the school house makes it functional without major abatement of asbestos, mold and mildew, and dry rot.
- Self limiting and ugly.
- Buildings are old, not up to today’s standards.
- Why does the project program require the Police Station and the City Administration/Assembly Building to be attached? The ‘shared’ space requirement is minimal. This plan deliberately uses more site by locating buildings and parking further north than necessary. Re-use of the school and Q-hut is in keeping with the City’s goals and conceptually handled appropriately by the architect.
- This appears to be a cost-cutting approach to a City Hall which does not achieve the goals of the project — improving the aesthetic appeal of the city hall (in the direction of the bank and library), addressing need for multi-function capability (emergency services, farmers market, open space etc),
- Don’t like that it uses the site so inefficiently.
- I can’t assess the viability because there are many unknowns related to costs and building condition,
- I do not believe we should use the Underhill site AT ALL. The community NEVER endorsed the purchase of this location. Period. Since our current city council has destroyed our traditional city hall on Laneda Ave. through neglect – those people should be held legally responsible for destruction of public property. The traditional city hall site should be cleared and reused for a modest new city hall building. The new city hall building should be elevated by a few inches to get above the tsunami inundation zone. The new building at the old location should be two stories tall with public access on the ground floor and office space on the second floor. Council chambers should be designed into the ground floor. The issue of new police department space should be “tabled” until the issue of “property tax based equitable regional funding” of the de facto regional police service has been decided by the residents of Manzanita and future vested North County police service users.
- Don’t want to be forced to adhere to a specific footprint that has no relevance for our current needs. I am intrigued by using Division St. as an entry point, since Manzanita Ave. can be quite busy during the summer months.
Site Plan 2: Quonset Hut Reuse
70 Responses: 64% do not like, 36% do like
Pros 1. 1. Reuses Q-hut 2. Provides maximum public space 3. Takes advantage of tall space for council chambers Cons |
Comments
- I think the Q-hut would be difficult and costly to remodel.
- I am still skeptical about reusing Quonset hut.
- Quonset huts can be saved and modernized into beautiful spaces. It would be nice to see Manzanita preserve its culture. You can google, go on Instagram or Pinterest to see how people are preserving these structures.
- This seems the most creative and boldest option. The others certainly suffices, but this one excites. Also like how if results in a more interesting FM/future park space.
- It would my first choice if the building is structurally sound, but not if it required massive renovation.
- I guess I don’t understand the plan to have the future worker housing in this area. I think that a better spot for the future worker housing would be the huge space on third street where we are watering the sand.
- Currently I’m not in favor of reusing the existing buildings unless your analysis shows that it is truly a viable, cost-effective alternative.
- Similar feedback as provided to plan 1. This well aged structure is not suited for office/administrative use nor will it have the weather/utilities efficiencies of a purpose-built structure. This option needs to be put to rest as well.
- Waste of land that could be used for workforce housing.
- This is my favorite plan by far. Centralizing services within the Q hut is innovative and could make for a wonderful place to work for the employees. Close proximity of city employees and police is a plus. Reusing the Q hut addresses the value of sustainability (demo of this building would be extremely costly). I don’t like demo of the other school buildings but I think the innovative concept as shown is persuasive. Once again – no level 4 engineering for the council chambers as stated above. Many goals are met with this design including the Lobby up front
- Too big, no costs associated with it
- Tall space for council chambers? What does that mean
- The Q hut is a cool space and with some beautifying on the exterior I could see this iconic building being a great new space. Cost matters though and so this exercise seems preemptive.
- Cost, how to pay for it. Doesn’t include the storage component cost to compare to option 1. Citizens need to vote on authorizing money.
- I like the setback. The open space makes this plan more inviting.
- Q hut’s best use is for community events, emergency storage and emergency shelter space as part of a reuse strategy. Don’t see how that building configuration makes any sense for a Council Chambers or other office use. This is creative but not practical and probably expensive.
- I like the concept of reusing the quonset hut for several reasons not least of which the soaring ceilings, but am concerned that the cost may not be worth it; I’m a real believer in the value of architecture (I love our library building and Columbia Bank building!) but keeping costs within reason is also very important to me. If an architecturally pleasing ‘new build’ is most cost effective, that would be my choice.
- The Quonset hut is a doomed structure and trying to use if for storage, particularly emergency supplies, is a dumb idea.
- This is OK, and would be my second choice, but I’m not sure trying to shoehorn a city hall into a quonset hut makes sense.
- I do not like the idea of trying to save the Q-hut. I think it’s a very ugly structure from the outside. It doesn’t make any sense to build the entire new city facility around using a fundamentally ugly structure.
- Better open space than option 1, but still inadequate space for emergency operations center (I don’t see how the Q-hut could be brought up to cat 4).
- Same as previous: This plan is limited in design; it does not provide a multi-use space and has almost zero utility in times of emergency, which is a significant missed opportunity for the City. It also does not take into account any aspects of community, economic, workforce, or entrepreneurship development or training – all of which is badly needed and can provide significant return on investment beyond this ineffective design. Plus this plan wastes most of the space on a market that is active for like 15 days a year. There is no major space to help the City cope with any emergency or really support citizens or visitors in times of need.
- I find the concept intriguing but am concerned the design complexities will not be cost effective.
- No, Same reasons as question 1
- I like that this plan provides a nice open space for a park/market. Building layout looks good. Uses current roadways well.
- The condition of the Q-hut is a big unknown
- The Q-hut is an eye sore and any reminder of it in a go forward scheme will devalue the overall design.
- Why base something on an old structure like this. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
- Almost a more elegant plan. It’s more compact on the site, leaving more open space. Reusing the q-hut would be great but that probably comes down to renovation costs. It’s unclear to me whether or not that building can actually be saved, although the interior of it could be dramatic as pointed out in the presentation.
- I don’t like the idea of a miniature Tillamook air museum.
- Again not up to today’s standard and will continue to require large maintenance costs.
- Compact shape is good. Same comments re: admin/police connection. 1/2in/1/2out admin kinda sucks…….Conceptually it would be better to construct a “new” Entry/Lobby/identity outside the Q-hut. Admin/shared space in the Q-hut.
- It may be my lack of imagination, but I cannot picture any way to reuse the Q-hut which will achieve the goal of making a city hall that anyone would be proud of.
- Would have to see more complete drawings to be sure of the look. Not in love with the Q-hut. Don’t think it’s something that we would be proud of in the long run.
- Interesting repurposing of the Q-hut, but questions about the structural integrity of the building persist, right?
- This survey is invalid. You do not control who provides feedback. These choices are reserved to JUST Manzanita residents. Feedback from any other party illegitimately skews opinions given. I know it. You know it. Your manipulation is abundantly obviously. Also, you provide NO option for respondents to return to previous pages to amend our input. This is wrong!
- I don’t want to be forced to adhere to a pre-existing structure (Q-hut and school) that have no relevance to best use of the site.
- OOf… the q-hut. Its not that cool, its shape makes it not the best use of space, just tear down the whole complex, its out of date, old, and ugly.
Site Plan 3: New Building
70 Responses: 30% do not like, 70% do like
Pros 1. Compact 2. No Need to fit program into existing footprint 3. Efficient floorplan/perimeter Cons |
Comments
- I believe this plan offers the best option for an accurate estimate of costs and will provide an opportunity to build a space that is environmentally friendly, efficient and fits into the culture of the village. I hope the storage space can be added sooner, rather than later. I am excited that all services can be co-located. I like the greenscape for the the community park (farmer’s market space, community garden) and the space for affordable housing in the future.
- The west parking lot is awfully close to a busy intersection, especially on Market days. Trees shown along street prevent parking. Please plan site plantings so that rights of way can be used for parking. Consider permeable parking surface with more spaces. Parking areas (street-side and lots) need to service not only city hall but also day use for the park, plus vendor parking for the market.
- I like the idea of new structures I think it gives the most flexibility. All the roofs and the parking areas which should be covered should have solar panels. We need to be emergency ready and having our own power source is critical. Also the building could be moved over to the east to include the right away for driving in.
- Not sure how much of an advantage in terms of program requirement we’re getting here by creating a totally new footprint (doesn’t come across as obvious in this image). This would be my third choice, but the gap is such that if it’s significantly cheaper it would be my first.
- Makes most sense from a future-forward perspective. Things can be built to code, no surprises during demolition, etc.
- Cost needs to be less than remodeling. Police to be built to Level 4, office to Level 2 and everything else to Level 1.
- Starting over is the best plan and probably the best bang for the buck. It can be used for decades I would be surprised if much was reusable from an old school which has years of deferred maintenance and is of no historical value. Frankly, as a Portland native who has also lived out of state and out of the country, I have never seen a municipality try to reuse such a neglected building, especially one which is not serving its original purpose. As a tax payer I think this entire process is a waste of time and money. Just build a new city hall with an emergency center! This coming from a part time resident who is likely(hopefully) to not to be in Manzanita when the big one hits. However, since I am unable to vote in Manzanita I have no say in how my property tax dollars are spent.
- I think that this plan is the best.
- I do think that storage is important, in addition to using the space, overall, for gathering in the event of an emergency
- I would like to propose we consider a hybrid approach by merging a “new city hall” and “workforce housing” as an option. What if we envisioned this space similar to a structure with retail spaces on the first level and residential units on the upper level or levels (similar concept already on Laneda)? The City Hall is typically open during business hours so that part would be very quiet during evenings and weekends. The Police Dept. section would need further consideration for security and noise, but the space could readily handle that if it needed to be on the same site. The residential units would need to be managed/maintained, but this could create a viable business opportunity for the right entrepreneur(s) as well as help fund the overall development.
- Waste of workforce housing land.
- I do not support the demo of the entire site. This plan shows ‘no soul’ if I may put it that way. It eliminates any recognition of the community’s history, promises to be very expensive with all the demo involved and lacks interest. This presentation has been very well done and illustrates some careful thought and consideration given to the buildings, the site and the community’s needs. There are some innovative concepts shown that recognize the importance of historical preservation, the value of sustainability and economy. I applaud the imagination of those involved, Well done and Thank you.
- I don’t like the parking design on Plan 3 or Plan 2 because it’s like the IGA parking lot, which is terrible. In my opinion Plan 1 is the winner out of these three plans.
- What does compact mean? Why are there no costs or sq ft provided with the plan?
- Bottom line…need$$$$ to make a choice!
- Honestly who knows which of these plans makes sense without more information about cost. It feels like we’re asked to do busy work so residents will feel like we have a say in what’s happening when we really don’t.
- Cost, how to pay for it . Doesn’t include the storage (costs) provided in option 1. Citizens need to vote on any financing. Option 4 – leave police and public works at current locations.
- I like any plan that starts with demo of the old building.
- It doesn’t feel as inviting as the second plan. The layout is more defined for each area. Plan2 fits Manzanita.
- The existing structure needs to be demolished.
- The city needs an office building, finding a configuration is not complicated and can fit in just about anything. That’s what architects do. We’re losing valuable existing storage in the Q hut. How much is the new storage building going to cost and will it be as architecturally interesting as the Q hut? The Farmer’s Market/Park space issue is a minor consideration.
- A ‘new build’ with an emphasis on architecturally pleasing features is my first choice. The building design should take community input into account.
- Does housing need to be on any of these plans? October
- Forget the salvaged material. This existing structure is a disaster.
- This seems like it leaves the most open space and would be the most efficient.
- I like the efficiency of new construction. Efficient use of the site. Known construction techniques and known project cost/budget. Very few unknowns and little need for contingencies and few surprises.
- Well Done.
- Personal preference to purpose-build and not try to salvage. Looking forward to “apples-to-apples” cost comparisons. I like the compact design and hope that it’s “modular” enough to allow future growth. I have no preference for whether it is sited on Manzanita or Division.
- Same as previous, plus this plan looks like it tried to accomplish everything and will just result in a horribly crammed situation with zero economic development or emergency use potential.
- I could like this plan once I see what the total costs for each option will be. I believe most people expect a new build will be more expensive and the addition of the possible future storage space needs to be included if we are indeed going to compare each option on an equal basis. If the new build cost increase is reasonable, it could be the best option. Otherwise, if options 2 and 3 without the future storage space cost included results in more cost and less total available space, you will have a problem as cost has been identified as the most important consideration in this project during the Manzanita Listens survey.
- it would have been good to have the option to go back during this survey. my questions are: 1) is this adequate room for the farmers market? 2) is the amount of space for housing the same in all three? 3) what kind of housing? surely the city doesn’t want to be a landlord. would this land be sold with the stipulation that it be used for workforce housing?
- I prefer plan 3 but could live with plan 2
- We can build a stable structure using safe materials. The design would be exactly what we need and want and allows for more lot area for various uses.
- Probably my top pick. Design seems compact and functional. Still would like to see an area for public meeting use.
- Building can be built for 50 years or more – Allows for future planning (ie workforce housing) – Can be built with sustainability in mind from the ground up – perhaps net-zero?
- Our community deserves a new city hall. We need to look to the future and starting with a clean slate will enable that.
- Build for the future and create a setting that reflects the best of our town. The library and the Columbia Bank are both beautiful examples of local architecture.
- This plan reflects, what I believe, is ideal for our new city facilities and maximizes our land use. Let’s quit trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Tear down that depilated ugly old structure.
- I frankly like this one the best. I would rather have compact, leaving as much open space. Right sizing the facilities and making sure that both the design and building quality is top notch. I also would like to see the entire facility built to Risk Level 4 standards. For me, that suggested overall longer lifespan of the building and capacity to be a resource center for emergency preparedness. Ever since we moved to Manzanita, that has been a big issue that people were/are supposed to pay attention to. It doesn’t make sense to build city facilities that won’t meet that need should a major earthquake happen.
- This is the kind of facility that would reflect the character of the town and its quality. It also leaves a considerable amount of space (designated Farmers Market) which could be used more productively for work force housing.
- Do it right and only do it once. Don’t do cheap and have to live with an odd assortment of odd buildings. Plan the new building for possible second floor addition for the future. Let’s be proactive and do this with the future in mind.
- Compact shape is good.
- Parking makes more sense. Would have to see more complete drawings but assume it would be more attractive. Leaves lots of space for other uses.
- This whole Underhill / new city hall project is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt by Mike Scott, Leila Salmon, Linda Kozlowski, and Hans Tonjes to put the last nail in the coffin to complete the horrific transformation of Manzanita from an idyllic residential town into the obscene tourist trap it’s becoming over the past 20 years. The purpose of this obscene unauthorized expenditure is to impose so much debt on our community we’ll never be able to eliminate the destructive tourist presence in our community. Also, Manzanita residents have NO obligation to provide space for the operation of the private entity known as the “Manzanita Farmer’s Market.” As a completely private business The Manzanita Farmer’s Market needs to provide for their own space needs. The citizens of Manzanita need to stop all public funding of this private enterprise.
- I like the ability to build what we want, where we want it, for the exact use (city hall) we need. I would like the parking to access both Division and Manzanita Ave. to enhance access and lessen necessity to enter/exit on the busier Manzanita Ave., esp. during busy summers. If money were no object (!), think about realigning Manzanita Ave so the Division/Manzanita 4-stop is all 90-degree angles.
- This is the only plan that makes any kind of rational sense. Honestly could scale it up in size as this city is never going to shrink, its only going to grow, and fast. That means more space required for city staff. If we’re going to do it, lets stop listening to the entitled vocal minority that seems to call the shots and bully everyone in this “community” to their wills. Instead lets build it right, with room for the future and in a way that will last for 50 years.
CMGC Presentation Recording
The CMGC Survey was posted after the Town Hall on 11/16/2022 and ran through 12/8/2022.
In this survey people were asked to watch the presentation video
then answer 3 short questions
The ratio of answers and comments are listed below.
All personal information was removed for privacy protection.
Documents Referenced
in the presentation by the CMGC:
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Comments (Other)
- Although I do not live in Manzanita, I am there often (weekly). My husband, ██████, and I have owned our property for 5 years. We are active, and involved, in the community. I am involved in the Concerned Citizens Group, NTCWA, and am a representative to the new Short Term Rental Committee. We support local charities and donate regularly.
- Living in neighboring Neahkahnie – full time for seven years; part-time for twenty years Also active in three Manzanita based nonprofits: Library, EVCNB, and Hoffman
- I have been a long term (25 year) homeowner and now live part time in Manzanita November
- Outer growth boundary
- Resident of Manzanita UGB
Multiple Choice
Keep pursuing rebuilding existing structures in current configuration?
Focus resources on proceeding with new design options?
Comments
- Thank you for the in-depth look you all took, with an eye to reusing the existing building. I was a contractor for 50 years and saw for myself the poor condition of the buildings. The foundations were of particular concern and appeared to have horizontal “cold joints” that had caused stress cracking. My concern with keeping the old building would be a considerable amount of unseen problems that turn into constant change orders, redesign and engineering changes and lost time. A new clean design with a look compatible to the Oregon Coast will be great addition to our community.
- I was disappointed to find that representatives from the WRK Report were not present to discuss their findings, and present why they thought the current schoolhouse was worthy of a rebuild. It is unfortunate that there is asbestos in the buildings, but that needs to removed whether the buildings are rehabilitated or not. it is also very clear to me that the schoolhouse and Quonset Hut have been neglected for a very looooong time. As was the old City Hall on Lanada. And, the old Fire Station, currently being used to house the Manzanita Police. I have a high level of concern that the existing properties owned by the City of Manzanita have not been properly maintained for several years. If they had been, this would certainly change the current predicament we are in.
- Please remove the existing building down and build something admirable on the site.
- Cost to rebuild is not cost effective.
- I’m recent arrival to Manzanita although I’ve been visiting here regularly for 30 years. I think the existing building is in inelegant design with no historical aesthetic value. In other words it’s an eye-sore and it’s looked that way for 30 years at least. If it was a cute old brick school like they built in the 1910’s or 1920’s or like the Manzanita visitors center, it might be worth saving some design elements, but this is not that type of design–it’s just an early cookie-cutter school building design. Plus, the final result of a rebuild is inferior to new construction: it consumes more land and (in my opinion) is a less functional layout. So not only would you spend more for the rebuild, but you end up with less value than for the new design, and less room for the park. I say make a new good design with perhaps some locally inspired design elements (by something other than the existing building) and create a legacy starting now that people in 80 years would be proud of.
- Too much time and money (taxpayer money!) has gone into saving structures most residents do not want to save. Please let’s move forward!
- I have remodeled four historic houses in my life … though not a building ‘professional’. Based upon this nonprofessional experience, merely looking at the existing building says that they must come down: the roof is shot; the siding is bad; the windows must be replaced; the foundation is cracked and failing; the electrical system is a nightmare. Oh, and now there is asbestos everywhere? As is said, ‘all it takes is money’ – reusing the existing building and or its components is going to be WAY more expensive and a construction disaster. Don’t kid yourself – no savings there. Period
- These are very clear and informative explanations. You are really teaching us.
- I think it is clear that now that ‘Team Bulldozer” has the win we need to focus on a phased in approach especially since we don’t have the money for this project. Since the Police Station has to be in the Risk 4 category I presume it will take a priority and consume 1/4 of the 4 million budget? Just a guess since we’ve not been provided with numbers. And then the consultants will consume 40% of the budget for 1.6 million, that leaves just 1.4 million for the building. (4 million minus 1 million and 1.6 million leaves 1.4 million). It is clear that a phased in approach is needed to complete the project. Build the police station and bring in temporary structures for the city hall, then 10-15 years later revisit the permanent city hall.
- I think that the city has kept hiring consultants, and will keep hiring consultants, until they get the consultants that agree with what they wanted to do in the first place. The documentation already exists in a beautifully prepared report that it would be cost-efficient to rebuild the existing structure. No more consultants necessary. They seem to be as expensive as lawyers. Also, the city has been doing surveys in the same way. The citizens of Manzanita have indicated their wishes over and over again and surveys and Townhall meetings.
- Thank you for the information being presented and the effort at transparency. Whatever questions I have about the decisions made to arrive at this point (purchase of the property, necessary due diligence on environmental condition, value), I favor building new facilities, with a fifty year forward vision of usability. I prefer high quality design and execution. I am a fan of historic context but perceive little historical or esthetic value to the existing structures. Acknowledging a great need for work force housing in the area, I am unsure about the practicality of this site.
- Don’t waste any money
- I was not able to be at this most recent meeting so really appreciate the opportunity to see the video and the presentation. Thank you. I have been skeptical about the rebuilding of the existing structures but open minded. The more detailed information coming from additional studies have convinced me that it would be a financial “crapshoot” to try and rebuild the school house and Quonset hut. Having a clean, clear site also means that the new city hall and other buildings could be designed in such a way to compliment everything else that will go on the property. I think it’s a wonderful opportunity for Manzanita to do something that fits with the community and will be a community asset for many, many, many years.
- Build new facilities to support the future of Manzanita
- The risks of running into an expensive, un-expected problem when trying to fix and update the current design are too high. Tearing it all down and starting from scratch makes the most sense.
- Kudos to the team: Leila, Chris, Jessie & Jason. The due diligence was thorough and well explained. Recommendation is clear and well-justified. The request to consider a rebuild was examined and was not recommended. Time to move on. The skeptics in the room clearly did not get the answer that they wanted. That very small minority opinion is not adequate reason to slow down the project.
- While I think keeping design options in mind that pay homage to the original structures, and the use of some existing materials in some way would be good, focusing on a new design and construction from scratch seems both cheaper and more flexible.
- I think we have given enough time to looking at the reuse option. Let’s move forward. I do support some kind of “memorial” of the old building with reused material.
- 1. How much (ok, I will say needless) money was spent on the 2nd analysis? 2. I have been unable to find evidence that the schoolhouse was built by a woman architect rather than her father’s firm. Wonderful if so, but she seemed to be living in Detroit at the time. Before putting up a plaque, I’d like to know for sure.
- The GeoTechnical Report went beyond showing an inferior concrete slab–to highlighting instability in the sandy soils below as well. Absolutely we need to move to concentrate on new design options.
- As we have seen over and over, saving that sad old building is not only stupidity but its not come to light its an environmental hazard filled with cancer causing asbestos. Why has the city wasted so much money trying to cater to the arrogant and obnoxiously loud minority in this town and kept throwing money to address their concerns just to be proven time and again they are flat out wrong? We keep coming back full circle to the original plan which was the right thing to do from day one. Please just tell them to shut up, stop wasting city time, stop wasting our communities time, and thus stop wasting city money, and build the community and administrative building this city NEEDS!
Open Comments
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Comments
- There are around 1300 livable dwellings in Manzanita and since 2018 they have increased in value by at least 200,000 dollars, that is a gain in wealth of around 260 million dollars. This is a community that has plenty resources to pay for a new town hall. I also hear people say that city employees should work from home. I assume these people think everyone has a nice quiet home to work from, but that is not always the case. I very much support having a new city hall and a place for all our city staff to have a nice , safe place to work. You are all doing such a great job! I hope we all find the community pride you all deserve and get this thing built.
- It’s my opinion that the existing building should be demolished and a completely new structure placed on the site. The existing building is in such poor condition that to rebuild it would cost more than new construction.
- I do not think it is wise to move forward with tearing down the old Schoolhouse and rebuilding from the ground up until we have a better idea of cost. As yet, the concerned Manzanita residents, property owners, and interested parties have not been presented with even a rough estimate of how all of these expenses add up. And, I believe it is only fair to do so prior to proceeding. In this should be included: all contractors involved (Architect, Owner’s Representatives, Asbestos Removal, Demolition of buildings, Relocation of materials, etc. After this has been figured, we should be able to review a complete budget for the proposed new City Hall and Police Headquarters. In addition, it needs to be clear where the funds will come from once we move forward.
- Thanks for the professionalism, transparency, and thoroughness of the process. We citizens could ask for no better.
- Cost of project is still very important to us. It needs to be something the entire community can handle.
- Based on the presentation, I get the feeling that this will be a very expensive project. I feel that the design should be structurally sound and modest. Less is more. It should have the smallest footprint currently needed, with design to allow for growth via additions and annexes as the city grows. Also, I am sick and tired of having the opinion of Manzanita non-property owners (Pine Ridge, Neahkahnie, etc) solicited regarding City Hall. We the property tax payers will fund the cost of the project. Not all of us are retired or second or third home owners. I am a single parent who watches my fiscal expenditures very carefully. Thank you.
- I continue to support a new, purpose-built, expandable structure that will suit our needs now and into the long-term future. Many thanks to the project team and city staff.
- I may not ‘live’ in Manzanita … but I have a long established basis is seeking the best positive outcome for the larger Manzanita community (which includes Neahkahnie). Reuse of the current structures will prove a disastrous, expensive enterprise. In THIS instance, starting over is the smart move.
- I am in favor of salvaging the usable studs, even if the total building would take longer. Recover and reuse is a valuable mantra.
- It is a catastrophic shame that this land was purchased with unusable buildings. We will be paying the price for this foolish and costly blunder for a long, long, time. I urge the city leaders to think creatively and consider a phased in approach to the build as we have to adjust to the terrible decision that was made with the land purchase.
- The presentation with regard to the condition of the buildings, particularly the old school, is very convincing and confirms what I suspected is the case with the school building. It’s clear that an attempt to salvage the building, apart from from a few pieces of it, would be an expensive undertaking. My main concern is the overall cost of whatever project is proposed. The first attempt at a bond levy was much too expensive from my perspective (and for my budget) and for seventy-percent of the people who voted. So the next hurdle is going to be coming up with a proposal that is less than the first attempt, and just as important, the means of financing which is proposed. There is one other major factor that looms over the project: time. We’ve lost four years and can’t afford to go another four years without an approved project and the start of construction. I suspect another four years without any resolution to the new city hall project will quite likely result in the entire project being shelved or put off indefinitely
- I have always thought that the Manzanita Visitors Center was a missed opportunity. The nod toward historic preservation may have provided a practical building (and needed public restrooms near the beach) but missed an opportunity to create a building that was iconic, representative, inviting, or a source of local pride.
- I want a city hall that is designed for residents of Manzanita only. Those are the citizens paying for this construction. If you want to provide tsunami safety for tourists, apply for state and federal grants. Do not put the financial burden of tsunami safety on 500 people who actually live here. Btw, what is your privacy policy? Why do you always ask such invading personal information at the start of each and every survey? Who is this information made available to? Again, when you collect this info, you need to provide your privacy policy.
- Thanks again for the opportunity to comment and for all your hard work looking at the various opportunities.
- I hope the new counsel values all the effort that’s been put into the project to date and won’t delay any progress
- No
- I was a member of the original Public Facilities Advisory Committee. The question has been asked and answered. It is time to move forward with a newly designed building. I am favorably impressed by the new team, its ability to listen and its collegiality.
- Please provide a transcript in addition to video
- the city should not miss this opportunity to have modern facilities that meet city needs and architecture that reflects the quality and value of the community. money spent on rebuilding the existing structures is better spent on a new facility. The existing structures do not contribute to the general quality of the community and remodeling is unlikely to improve that fact.
- I only have a couple of minor recommendations. 1 – Please start every meeting w/ a reminder of the objectives of the City Hall Project. What does success look like? In my opinion, part of the answer should be that the City Hall should not only meet the functional requirements, it should also be a point of civic pride, and it should serve as an example of the quality standard expected for any businesses that wish to build in the city. 2 – Please also start the meeting with a quick recap of the last few meetings and the specific objectives of today’s meeting. So for the 11/16, meeting the objective was to provide a recommendation on rebuild or new construction. Again, very impressed with the work done for today’s meeting. Keep it up! Thank you!! ██████
- Great meeting and presentation!
- I want to see the city develop below market rate housing alongside the new city hall. Hopefully our new leadership will have the talent, dedication and courage to do the hard work needed to govern in a humane and inclusive way.
- Finally we get a guy who comes in and directly shuts down all the “what-if” nonsense. Go Go New City Hall. Thanks for all your hard work, this city hall is something we all want and need. I think deep down the nay-sayers are simply afraid this will hurt their pocketbooks… well its not, we dont pay much in property tax anyway. Sorry if its ruining your view, but better it a city park & office building than Hilton Hotel.
- yes. just do it.
- Hello
11/16/2022 Presentation by CMGC
Documents Referenced in the presentation by the CMGC:
10/3/22 Town Hall
Site Plan Presentation
by Architects
Bearing Architecture
City Hall Presentation & Survey
with Bearing Architecture
Public meeting was held Monday August 29, 2022 – there were 55 people that signed up and attended to provide feedback on a number of topics including community trust and basic architectural themes.
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Everything below is provided for your reference and may contain old or outdated information
City Hall Goals
Approving new City Hall Process
Timelines & Next Steps
Initial City Hall Project
2017 -2019
Supplemental Materials
Underhill Plaza: Existing Conditions
The following presentation shows images and
descriptions of the state of the current underhill plaza structures.
Community Goals and Values
Manzanita Listens revealed several themes that are important to the community.
These include:
- Getting the most value for their investment
- The community wants a city hall that is durable, adaptable, functional and efficient
- They want a building able to withstand coastal conditions and that is resilient in the event of an earthquake
- Matching the unique culture and norms of the community
- Being environmentally sustainable
The Manzanita City Council is committed to incorporating these themes
as it implements all phases of the city hall project.
Together, we will build a city hall that:
- Reflects the culture and diverse values of our community
- Creates an inspiring workspace for our staff
- Provides for user-friendly, efficient customer service
- Embraces innovation
Facts About
the City Hall Project
Underhill Plaza
- New City Hall will be located at Underhill Plaza (corner of Manzanita St and
Division) just west of Fresh Foods - Underhill plaza property purchased in 2017
- 2.67 acre parcel (only a small part will be used for the City Hall)
- New City Hall will be located at Underhill Plaza (corner of Manzanita St and
Old City Hall on Laneda
- Extensive mold issue-unsafe working conditions, employees were made ill
- General consensus is that building in such bad shape it would need to be torn
down and City Hall rebuilt - Old City Hall Property for sale
- Old City Hall was too small, and even before mold was discovered., Council was planning a new and safe city hall out of the evacuation zone
Current Temporary City Hall location
- One third the space of old city hall, which was already too small
- Moved to current space 2/2020
Resolution 20-21 passed 8/2020 (on Manzanita website under Manzanita Listens)
- New City Hall will be built on Underhill plaza
- City hall will include space for administration and public safety (police)
- Out of tsunami evacuation zone
- Build new building
- No decision on Quonset hut
No decisions have been made on
- Size of the new City Hall
- Design
- No architect chosen
Reporting of public input: all results posted on website Manzanita Listens: City Hall
Project/Reported at Council meetings. Timeline:
- January 6th Survey Results reported
- February 3rd Focus Group Results reported
- April 7th Public meeting results will be reported
Size of new City Hall will be decided as we move forward
- Plan can call for scalability
New City Hall hopes:
- Safer, Better and more efficient
- Sustainable
- Point of pride for the community
- Consolidation of Administration and Public Safety (police) in one building
- Provide a safe place for staff to work
- Efficient, durable, functional, and sustainable
Goal of upcoming Council meetings
- Determine sense of quality, cost and durability
- Explore funding options and determine total funding available for the project
- Develop process to hire a Project Manager and an architect to start the
conversation about design and functionality
Manzanita Listens Research Team
Final report
81 page report of the data collected at public meetings, surveys, and other topics.
Manzanita Listens Summary Report
Summary of the project and results so far.
Prepared by Dr Margaret Banyan
Manzanita Listens
Public Meeting Report
Summary of information gathered during the public meeting period.
Prepared by Dr Margaret Banyan
City Hall Plaza
Funding Options
Presentation of funding options.
Prepared by interim City Manager John Kunkle
City Manager update Archive
Previous reports from the City Manager on the City Hall Project
12/21
City Hall Project
Update
From City Manager
Leila Aman
11/3/21
City Hall Project
Update
From City Manager
Leila Aman
10/6/21
City Hall Project
Update
From City Manager
Leila Aman
9/8/2021
City Hall Project
Update
From City Manager
Leila Aman
7/7/21
City Hall Project
Update
From City Manager
Leila Aman
Bond Effort
- real property assessment 303-670
- Proposed new City Facilities - Police
- Proposed new City Facilities - Meeting Hall
- Proposed new City Facilities - Emergency Hub
- Proposed new city facilities - Administration
- Preliminary Cost Estimates
- General Information
- Bond Measure Information
- Ballot Language
- 2018-19 Tax Rates in Tillamook County Cities 10-1-19
- 2018 Tax Rates by Code Area
- 2018 Final Summary of Assessment